Bob: What were your criteria for choosing the people you interviewed for Infinity?

Sharron: For all of our films we look to the scholars and authors who have written deeply on the subject. Everyone in Infinity, except for the painter Renate Dollinger has published a book on the subject and these books are very informative and compelling. I read every book I can find on the subject and we choose the people according to their knowledge and their erudition. I knew about the early research of Stanislav Grof who is in the film, into altered states of consciousness, holotropic breath work, and the rebirthing experience so I was very excited to speak with him. And we look to who has the depth of insight and experience in the subject matter to bring these concepts forth in a meaningful way such as Renate who is just a delightful and amazing being, an 87 year old holocaust survivor who has had direct experience with angelic realms.

Bob: What she had to say was extraordinary. Her meeting with a 'heavenly social worker' who called himself John was very enlightening. Could you tell us a little about that experience she had in which she also asked him, "What about Hitler? What's going on with places like Auschwitz?

Sharron: That was an amazing story. The first thing about her was that she reminded me so much of my mother, coming from a Jewish, European background. But contrary to my mother's childhood, Renate had experienced a whole different reality. Born in Germany, when she was a teenager the Nazi's killed her father. She was on the last Kinder Transport out of Germany. She had the kind of experience that I had read about growing up in a Jewish family. But here was someone who had lived through these times. She was living in England out in the country, not in the big cities. Where she was living they never knew anything about the holocaust. For V day she came to London. She was sitting in a café when a very tall, very pale man with blue eyes wearing a captain's uniform came and sat down at her table even though there were empty tables all around. He knew her name and when she asked him how he knew her name, he answered," I know everything about you." Then he began to tell her that her whole family had been killed except for her sister in America, that he had known her for many lifetimes. She asked him if he was an angel. He replied that he was a sort of lesser angel, a heavenly social worker. He proceeded to also tell her about her past lives and her future in this lifetime. Here was a being who was timeless, beyond time.

Bob: Some of the advice that he gave her was pretty extraordinary especially in regards to Hitler.

Sharron: She asked him, "What happens to the evil ones like Hitler?" He replied that when you return in your next life you become what you hate. So she said, "Then Hitler will become a Jew? " "Most likely, he answered, "You can only learn by wearing the sandals of another."

Bob: That's a very important teaching. Let us talk about Dannion Brinkley for a little while. He says in the film, "There is no death. The end of something is just the beginning of something else." What can you tell us about that?

Sharron: Here is a man who has had three near death experiences so he knows from direct personal experience. He is a man who one might have referred to as a 'good old boy", a former Marine, strong and vital who was talking on the phone one day and lightening struck, coming through the phone line. He was dead for 28 minutes, had the experience of a life review, going into the luminous realms, meeting with angelic beings, receiving information on the future. It took him approximately three years to recover, to be able to feed and clothe himself. Since that time he has had two other near death experiences. In the film, he describes the panoramic life review in which you see your life pass before you in a 360 degree panorama, especially the incidents that were emotionally charged. But you see this from a third person perspective. You are not this person with all of your imprints and fears; you are your soul, your essence, coming from the place of wisdom that is inherent in each of us. You are experiencing the life review from this perspective. He said that he has now had three life reviews and he came back from the first one inspired to be of service to humanity.

Bob: As he says about the meaning of life," You are chosen to come to this world, the divine architect says there is no body on this earth better than you. That you chose to come here because as you hit a certain point in evolution, by coming into the physical body you can slow down all of those laws and manifest in a slow muddled way evolution towards sensitivity and more. He said some really great stuff. No ego at all.

Sharron: He is a beautiful human being because he has seen it, he has experienced it. He tells us that he is here to be at the bedside. He says," I am here to assist these people. I know what it is. I have lived it and I am back here specifically to be of service. Every time a have a new life review I see that I have grown, I see all the gifts that I am giving to others."

Bob: He says," Learning compassion and kindness, sharing it and serving others is extremely important."

Sharron: Of course, that is the signature of what we need right now with these chaotic and disingenuous times that we are living through with all of this fear and confusion. It is time to come back to the ways of the heart.

Bob: We all can make a very big difference as you well know. What really happens when one leaves one's physical body and moves into the world of spirit?

Sharron: During the creation of the film I had the opportunity to ask these questions of the experts. They say that the first thing one experiences is a sense of safety and comfort. Another common experience is the tunnel of light. They report that they are in this tunnel and they see loves one's who have passed coming to greet them. They also speak about the life review process during which they see and feel their life's experience. And then there are choices about what to do next. Renate said that you can fly around, go to the opera and enjoy yourself. She described it as an incredibly playful experience.

There are traditions such as the Tibetan or the Egyptian tradition that describe life and death as being part of one continuum. It is interesting to me for as I was studying the Hindu Yuga tradition with their perspective on cycles of time and cycles of experience, the Tantric texts state that in the beginning, when we first came forth from the heart of divinity, we were in a Golden Age in which there was no death. So that made me wonder, what does this mean, no death? Well if you were born into a culture such as that of ancient Egypt, India or Tibet that taught you from the beginning that death itself was an initiation and part of the cycle of a greater existence, you certainly would not have the fear that most of us in the West feel towards death.

Dzogchen Ponlop tells us in Infinity that every moment is part of a continuum and part of a cyclic process. There is the birth of that moment, the dwelling in that moment and the death of that moment. Then there is the arising of the next moment and so on. So if you are born into a world where you are given this understanding of death from the cyclic perspective, this changes your whole perspective. You see that you are more than just this material being. You have a soul, you have a spiritual essence that is part of a much larger metaphysical reality and that you are here in this physical body to learn lessons and to grow. When you see from this perspective, then you do not have that terrible fear of death because you know that life goes on beyond the body.

Bob: Let's go back to the life review because it is very informative. What is the life review really all about? You mentioned that you do experience highly emotional aspects of your life, the positive ones as well as you do feel what you have done, the hurt that you have caused others.

Sharron: Dannion Brinkley speaks about this in the film. He says that you actually feel all the pain but you also feel all the joy. Some of us have these terrors that the Day of Judgement is going to come and we are going to be annihilated but no, if you see from the perspective that your soul is on a path growing and learning then you see that this is a great opportunity to make sense of your life and to come to closure with it. Alberto teaches that before you die what one should do is come to closure with the people in your life. Tell them you love them. Really open your heart. This is your chance.